To add to what has been said above, it is possible to get the first hit on the ogres. You need to be spamming the "XXXX Ogre"(where XXXX is whatever skill you're planning to initiate combat with, like banded smiting, or especially Ishtl's Thrashing) within the 5 second period just before the Rune's quest affects drop. This has happened to me several times now. Not really good for Footpads or Ninjas who can't ambush(or don't have the %s to get the flanking bonus from shadow cast), but useful for those of you like Nojohrs, Paladins, Poliirs, Barbarians(especially if you're joining on a mob that's near 3/4 dead, thrashing can really rough it up and probably take a round off.), and Valkyries, who can get the first hit in.
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